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 Friday, April 28, 2006
Cristina Responds to Jennifer/Cristina Page
Let's all give a round of applause to Jennifer, the only parent on earth who loves her children. Such high handedness! The implied smugness of people who preach to us about good parenting, as if they have all the answers and they are the only examples, is breathtaking. We're all such failures in your eyes, aren't we? So moved are we by the sexy content of shampoo and beer commercials that we've all up and forgotten to love our kids. As hard as this may be for you to understand, I think it's worth mentioning because it is true for all working moms: I work because I love my child. We need two incomes, as do most American families. (And I bet most of the people on this blog have working spouses.) I don't need to be convinced, as you put it, to "find a way to embrace a desire for motherhood as well as a desire for meaningful work outside the home." I will say though, that your cherished pro-life movement works to make it as difficult as possible for mothers to work outside the home. Why was 90% of the opposition to the Family Medical Leave Act from pro-lifers? Even though it granted parents for the first time in history to right take time off from work to care for a newborn? (Isn't this exactly the type of legislation that makes it easier to have a baby and be a parent?). And yet, of course, sanctimonious pro-lifers fought against it. Why? Because anything that makes it easier to be a working mother is in conflict with the mothers should stay at home and be mothers-only lifestyle. As hard as this may be for you to grasp, I'll say it because it's why most people use contraception: I practice family planning because I love the child I have and the children I want to have. I also know that by spacing my children, I am creating healthier children too. I do that because I am a loving parent. I grew up in a world with family planning. I have never cheated on my husband, had group sex, divorced, had same sex sex or an abortion, as you have. Because you took liberties that most of us have not, maybe you wrongly assume we have all led our lives as you have. Perhaps you feel compelled to convince us that somehow we can't keep the lid on things either. Your days of experimentation are yours to cope with, not ours. I don't see how steering people away from family planning accomplishes any of your dreams. I think it is a sinister attempt to impose your (proven to fail) value system on others. What's clear from all your lecturing is how little faith you have in the American people to lead moral lives and make responsible decisions for themselves. No good shepherd can hold a flock in such contempt and also deliver it anywhere safely. Finally, you've several times bemoaned the inconvenience of this debate (which you called for, by the way) and the pressure it put on you (gratuitously mentioning the apparently abundant responsibilities of your daily life). So just fyi, I have posted my entries from a different state of our country each night. I also didn't have Maggie on my team posting biased information to back up my claims, as you did. (I wouldn't allow it even if she would.) Maybe the next time you're up for a debate, you'll be willing to stand on your own and do your own bidding. Cristina posted by Cristina Page at 3:26 PM | link 
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you rock Christina!
But you are really pushing the envelope using logic and reason and compassion here.
Plus, allowing others there own viewpoint!! Just not quite Christian enough, I'm afraid.
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Well, Cristina, you ended your posts as you began, with anger, sarcasm, unfounded accusations and shadow boxing, finding and fighting phantoms where there are none. These negative passions impeded your reasoning process. You appear to be on a Don Quixote mission that may give you some feeling of accomplishment but does nothing objectively beneficial for marriages, families or society.
I am very happy to here that your own family is intact and that you have not followed many of the family fragmentation practices that you support.
We wish you well.
I find it sad that Cristina has to continue to attempt to impose beliefs ("anything that makes it easier to be a working mother is in conflict with the mothers should stay at home and be mothers-only lifestyle") on prolifers that simply aren't there. The 90% of prolifers she mentions happen to be politicians not prolife organizations. In Cristina's world it seems that if a politician who happens to be prolife votes on another issue relating to pregnancy then it has to be the politicians prolife views (and the supposed evil reasons behind them) which somehow decide their vote. I'm guessing (like most rational people would) these politicians (most likely conservative Republicans) were against many government regulations of business and that affected their vote not the idea that they want to keep women at home.
As always, its much easier to cast aspersions on those you disagree with than formulate good arguments.
Wow. Was that a post or a rant? Whatever happened to civil discourse?
I think civil discourse went out the window when it became a two against one fight, with the moderator tossing in "statistics" to help out Morse.
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"I think civil discourse went out the window when it became a two against one fight, with the moderator tossing in "statistics" to help out Morse." (Anonymous)
"Maybe the next time you're up for a debate, you'll be willing to stand on your own and do your own bidding." (Cristina)
I find this entire attitude rather childish. The point for me would not be to "win" an argument, a la a sophomore point scoring debating team, but rather to try and come to an understanding of the truth, as in an honest philosophical discussion. If someone introduces information that undermines what I am claiming then I should be able to subdue my ego and be thankful. If the information is inaccurate then I should try and point that out. If I can't come up with the rebuttal at the moment then I can simply say, "let me look into that."
But Cristina from the very beginning appeared to be simply in an attack mode with scarcely any concern to even hear what Jennifer's position actually is. I just couldn't find much maturity in Cristina's presentation as she simply was unable to maintain her cool.
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