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 Monday, April 24, 2006
Taking Credit; Taking Responsibility/Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse.
Cristina has credited the pro-choice movement with decreasing family poverty, increasing marital happiness, and increasing women's participation in college and the professions. I wonder if she would be willing to take responsibility for some of the negative consequences of the pro-choice movement, broadly interpreted to include abortion, contraception and the contraceptive mentality. For instance: the increase in illegitimacy; the increasing perception that procreation is an individual activity or project, that doesn't require a relationship; the attitude among men that paying for an abortion discharges his responsibility for his pregnant wife or girlfriend; the attitude among women that men can be used as a combination wallet and sperm bank; the increase in infertility due to delaying child-bearing until so late in a woman's reproductive years that conception is difficult; the general coarsening of our sexual culture. posted by Dr J Roback Morse at 4:43 PM | link 
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Pro-life has always actually meant "pro-punishment for having sex". I knew the people in the movement thirty years ago and that was really the compelling argument among them. They were incredibly pissed off that women (not men, women) could have sex and not have to fear pregnancy. I could see them come up with this false notion that they really really really cared for the incipient child, but in actuality none of the women I knew in Springfield Right to Life ever supported any kind of social program to help children after they were out of the womb. They really didn't care about life at all. And they still don't. They hate sex. They hate sexuality. In their own marriage they complained ceaselessly about their husbands' sexual demands. And these were women from the gamut age-wise. So you can whine all you want about the effects of Roe v. Wade, but I remember my friends getting sick and one dying from illegal abortions. My wife and I went to Kansas and got a legal one in 1972. I was glad to make the multi-hour drive.
And I grew up catholic and I know the church absolutely hates the idea of people being allowed to have sex, except under their rules. This is how they have controlled their population for hundreds of years. They are not about to give that up. It means their existence and they are very clear on that. I have had many Jesuit friends over the last forty years. I know the inside story.
Not that you'll care. You'll come up with specious arguments for it all. Well, I hope you do overturn Griswold and we go back to the old days. That is what brought about the sixties, and clearly we need that again.
oh you have to approve? no surprise there. I am sure not to see those words on this site. Reminds me of high school.
Overturning Griswold would be another example of Republican Socialism. Price supports for criminals.
Evidently they don't teach alcohol prohibition in school any more.
Anonymous,
I'm prolife and I don't want to punish women for having sex. That's a rather obvious ad-hominem and does nothing to persuade people who know prolifers.
I think a quote from Dave Andrusko's review of Cristina Page's book fits your argument quite well.
"To (Cristina) Page, the real reason you and I object to ripping the heads off of unborn babies is not because we find this a stomach-turning abridgement of basic human rights and a betrayal of our nation's best impulses, but rather because we are afraid of sex. This simple-minded putdown represents the ultimate one-explanation-fits-all strategy, which, for Page, also has the wonderful effect of eliminating the need to take ANYTHING we say seriously."
Abortion was legal in Kansas in 1972? Since when? As far as I know Kansas wasn't one of the few states (California, New York, Colorado, North Carolina, Hawaii, Alaska and Washington) the liberalized their abortion laws.
Jivinj: Nice to see you again. As you are well aware, I think I am one of the few immune to Dave Andrusko's claims that I don't "need to take ANYTHING we say seriously." Afterall, I'm one of a handful in the pro-choice movement who has reached out to, and published joint writings with, pro-lifers in hopes of finding common ground. I wrote to Dave about his lengthy comments about my book (which he admits he hasn't read) over a month ago and still await his response which I expect will never arrive. Seems to me he's the one not taking anything said seriously. Cristina Page
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